Why white men love the black woman
Ever wondered why some white guys, love black women so much?
It seems that being a white male and proclaiming your attraction to black women (not only sexually, but also romantically) may lead to a lot of controversial and dangerous things. Let’s leave the debate of why more black women may be opening themselves up to white guys. The main focus of this debate is: why some white guys are opening themselves to black women. Let’s concentrate on that.
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Most white males don’t feel like they are running short of white women to marry. White males just marry at high rates. So question is: Why black women? The thing is it will not be fair to bundle up black women as one since everyone is their own person… be it in appearance or personality.
However, one thing that a white male friend of mine said… and I let him get away with bundling it all up is: “We love a black woman's confidence, her tenacity and her undeniable achievements in the face of great adversity...᾿ Since this info was coming from a man, there was definitely the mention of the lips, the curves, and that wonderful skin as well.
So what about stereotypes like “black women are either sexually conservative or total sluts?" Many people give so much lip service to interracial dating sites. You would think they have never done it. But those uptight individuals are the ones that spread these stereotypes. What happened to the highly educated black woman? How about the caring, decent and involved black woman?
Probably most white guys and others are confused with the stereotypical trash people spread around and if you are one that falls for such lame ol’ lines, then you sure as hell haven’t dated a black woman.
Bottom line, you don't have to sacrifice who you are for a white guy. They will love you anyway. Just be you and open yourself up… and if you like white guys, some white guy will find you too.
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Ichibod says:Posted: 27 May 10
Gene, Good to see you. Yea, it has been crazy around here. If only we could see the archived posts...
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geneandthem says:Posted: 27 May 10
Sup Ich, Godiva, Tatted, Been good. How bout you all? I see this thing still going strong!!! What almost 4 years now??? WOW!!!! Sucks we cant see the old Archived post!!! Any who, stay good all! Ash,
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MzBrOwNSuGaR says:Posted: 27 May 10
Did anyone see Toni Braxton on George Lopez tonite? What is up with that hair style? LOl
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MzBrOwNSuGaR says:Posted: 27 May 10
@ Pettite Yeah I noticed the other day you called me Godiva too, at least I think that was you lol. I'm not a out doorsey girl, especially not in the heat lol.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 27 May 10
Oh snap, MzBrown I just called you Godiva. I know it's time for me to carry my arse upstairs. But ummmm, no - no fish for you either. Walking around out there in that heat today has put a hurting on me.....LOL I need to be hoisted up like one of them ancient queens who have hunks carrying her in some sort of bed while she's fanned. Teeheeeheee. What is that anyway? You know like in the movies? In my best DL Hughley voice, I'm so so tiiired....
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 27 May 10
@ girls There are lot of Africans from Sierra Leone and Nigeria where I live. The women are subservient and the men treat them not too good. But guess what, they get here and become "Americanized" and tell them to kiss bootaaaay. Kind of funny.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 27 May 10
@friendly.... Yes in particular Sierra Leone among others.
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MzBrOwNSuGaR says:Posted: 27 May 10
@ friendly, Yes. Actually they had a documentary on few months ago with them doing that to those young girls. Of course the were not showing the actual practice, but they did show the older women holding the girls down and the girls screaming in agony. I got to say it was very upsetting. It was horrible even imagining going through something like that. Took me a while to get myself together I tell ya. I don't for one minute believe Queens would relish something some cruel.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 27 May 10
@ Godiva Teeheee..... Sawwwweeeeee, Friendly ain't getting none neither though. So don't feel bad.
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MzBrOwNSuGaR says:Posted: 27 May 10
Now see that ain't even right.. mention the fried fish wit no intentions to share. And thennnnn.. got tha nervr to try to ((((hug)))) You ain't right. LOL
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friendly13 says:Posted: 27 May 10
Friendly13 is back, had a long day....Hey everybody. I have a lot of catching up to do. Okay, I have to get something started though before I respond to all the wonderful comments that were made while I was out handling my business today...... Okay, did everyone know that 1/3 of the women in Africa are encouraged (forced) to perform female circumcision? This is a custom practiced by a muslim sect. There are also other parts of the world where the some members of the muslim community in the middle east and other parts of the world practice this grusome rediculous ritual. Actually,I think it sounds like something Laurelton Queens would relish. The purpose was to prevent the young women from being promiscuous, enjoying sex, and having an orgasm. They remove the clitoris and other pleasurable parts of the vagina. The procedure is crude and painful. Then they sew the vagina so that it is too small. This ensures that there is pain while having sex. What is worse is that the women also suffer when having intercourse and it also makes childbearing more difficult. This proceedure is performed on girls around the time of puberty at about age 12-13 or so. They lead the young women to believe that this will make them more desirable to men for the purpose of marraige. When I first heard of this I was in shock. I am glad to be an American.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 27 May 10
@Godiva No fish for you. Sorry, and thanks for the compliment about the photo. It ain't new. I just like to change the header every now and then. But thank you dahhhling..... ((hugs))
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 27 May 10
@Godiva Yes, I remember those days. Lawdy. My neighbors would tell it, admonish me and then tell it and I'd get more. LOL. Yes, the village! I so agree with you. Well the teacher's union is fighting it, but there is no fighting the mighty political machine does what it wants to do. We were supposed to get billions from Pres, but with the priviso that the NYS develop a comprehensive plan to add charter schools. They've not done that, so no $$$. Lazy do nothings are what politicians are. Ha, we pay their salaries and we still can't get good representation. Gov we have now inherited his job. Not competent for it. We'll see what happens. It is an abomination. But, families have to find other ways. Can't rely on the "system" all the time.
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godiva61 says:Posted: 27 May 10
@Ms.Petite, Thanks for the compliment, but it was a Village Environment!! It does take a whole villiage, in spite what other's may say. Don't get me wrong my husband I were the leaders, but you have a support system. Remember back in the day if and when one of the young ones got out of line in the neigborhood, there was always some adult that would pull you up, deal with you, and then send you home to mom and dad and you got dealt with some more. I remember one time I rolled my eyes at Ms. Alice, let's just say my eye rolling days were over, but the whole neighborhood was there to motivate and encourage as well. I am so glad that I was brought up, taught, and disciplined in that old school way!! My neice is a teacher in Baltimore, and the stories she tell me about the kids, is unbelievable!! I don't see how she does it. She spends half of the day dealing with bad behavior, I could not do it!! You got to be kidding about almost 5000 teachers being laid off, that's unacceptable in my opinion. What are the parent's doing about this?? Please tell me that they are not taking this lying down! Keep them uneducated, so they won't be productive in the future, the more things change, the more things stay the same! This is an abomination!! love godiva
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 27 May 10
Ms.Godiva I love your spirit sister. Sounds like you have a done a magnificent job! Now the hard part is letting him float with the foundations you've laid for him. I know that will be the hardest part. But, if that foundation is solid and he ever loses his way, he will come back to the fold. He is also smart in that he doesn't "follow." That I admire as well. My son has some friends I don't care for. These younger generation of young people just don't have a clue. He is Sicilian and went to school with my son. Very dark in complexion. I told my son he wasn't welcomed in my home until he learned how to come in and greet the homeowner properly. WHO WALKS INTO SOMEONE'S home and doesn't speak to them? Who does that? The young man eventually want to clear the air and I had him come over and told him and his girlfriend that they are disrespectful. All is good. However, I still don't like him that much because he is braggadocios. I hate that. Can't stand it. It's always good to hear good news about our children's progressiveness. Friendly's daughter, my son, your son and many more! I have no doubt any of us would do what is right by our children. It's hard out here in the world. We must also teach them the importance of civic engagement. My children grew up watching me mentor children from one of the toughest JHS in Harlem. It's important. New York is in the midst of laying off some 4,700 teachers because of budget issues. This angers me to no end. Education always takes a slap in the face when belt tightening needs to be done. It should never ever be touched. I don't have any small children in school but it affects my grandson. Shameful that these politicians do this. This is why it is important that parents supplement their children's education OUTSIDE OF THE classroom. Congratulations again on a job well done! Keep up the good works..........
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godiva61 says:Posted: 27 May 10
@Ms. Petite, Just took my 3rd shower of the day, the humidity is killing me!! Thank you so much for the well wishes concerning my son, much appreciated!! He worked real hard and I am extremely proud of his academic accomplishment's, however as a mother, I am most proud that he has great manners, and a unyielding respect of his elder's, especially WOMEN!!! His father laid the foundation and if he were alive he would be so proud of the seed that he planted. We always stressed the importance of education, the sense of self, and community, and most of all to be thankful and grateful for the family that came before you, to your creator for all that you are, and all that you hope to become, and to know that this life is not just about you and your needs, you have to help someone along the way. Now I can not say that he is perfect, but he is decent and respectful. I worried about outside influences, as all mother's do, but when he came home the other day and expressed to me that one of his longtime friend's is moving in a different direction than he, he said "mom I think I'm going to have to cut him loose and be his friend from afar". I asked him why(yes I was being nosey), he wouldn't tell me, and I had to respect that, but he reminded what his Dad used to tell him, which was sometimes a Man has to be a Man, by coming out from among other Men, whose mentality and morals, are different from your's. I didn't let him see me cry, but I did, so very proud of my son and the son(s) that he may have one day. I know this is hard for him because the other young man and my son has been friends for a while, and my son does look up to him, but you have to be honest and see people for who they are, all that they are! When he left the next day, he left his usual note of I love you, and a verse from the Bible. I didn't quite get the Bible verse, but after I read it, I understood, why he feels as though that he has to love from afar. It came from the book of Proverbs 6 16:19. I can't believe you didn't save some fish for your girls(lol) love godiva P.S. I'm digging the new picture!!
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
OK, Ich, I need to fry up ma fish!!!!! Ladies, I ain't got no catfish for y'all neither so don't ask! Hmmmph! (((((hugs))))
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
Hi Ich, I knew you would say that about Dubois....LOL. Teeehee @ your question? I must ask does your camraderie extend to your brothers when they are wrong?” YES IT DOES. IT HAS TO, I HAVE A 22 YEAR OLD SON. IT WOULD BEHOOVE ME TO DO SO.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
@Ich 6:31p.m. I apologize for the many posts but I do this whilst trying to do other things, like cook, LOL. Anyways, I wanted to go back to some of the things you mentioned upon your entry into this conversation TODAY. You stated: “When I started blogging here I thought I was going to get to read thoughts from white men about why they love the black women.” My question to you is, what would you find interesting about this in particular? Was it just for knowledge sake? What was the purpose of your inquisitiveness into this dynamic? I do see that you have inserted yourself into these kinds of threads as well and offered up your comments that did not belong. You are just as complicit as the women. You stated also: But anyway, I was saying that black men experienced lynchings, while black women were raped. Basically, men and women are different, period. We were both physcially and emotionally abused, but in manners that were particular and mutually exclusive toward our genders and the effects are apparent to some, yet indistinguishable to others My response: I see no difference. Herein lays the problem. The break up of the African American family and its affects on us a group should be revisited and not sub-categorized by gender. They are the same. Men being lynched, beaten to a very inch of their lives, not being able to protect their women, being torn away from their women and children indeed horrible. Women being raped, some being made to feel better than her sister because she was the product of a raping which gave us the mulatto. The house nigger and field nigger. There is no difference. This too, is why I asked the question, why do men want to put themselves above the disenfranchisement as though they were the ones to suffer the most? This simply is in my opinion is the wrong approach. Thus, the reason for a question I posed earlier which was: Because Black men believe they suffered the most, are they now here to tell us they want to teach us how to women and not masculine like one person described us? Do you want us to be subservient and adhere to the patriarchal standards of these United States? You also stated: Does that necessarily mean it’s all that forbidden? I do see where you’re coming from, Petite. My response: No it does not, not by today's standards. But why is it forbidden by the Black woman who has just come upon herself to take this gamble? What's good for the goose is always good for the gander. Finally you answered a question I asked earlier. Which was simply, who started the inter-racial dating first. You have affirmed for me and everyone else who knows the plight of Black relationships in this country that it was the Black man. But for some strange reason no one wants to admit this. I don't understand why. I can't wrap my brain around it. Why not admit that the dating out of race began with the Black man away from the masculine woman because she was "just that" masculine? Finally, not a question but an observation that perhaps you overlooked whilst viewing the goings on in THIS thread (not blog) an olive branch was offered. The women have tried. Yepper. I'm sorry you failed to come upon that. We were taking a step forward. We were kicked back down by the continued hatred and name calling and just the sheer lack of desire to get along. A call was made to "get on board the train." Those that came, did so in good faith. Of course, many have no room in their hearts for forgiveness and all was left to be......but we moved forward. Thanks for letting me share......
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Ichibod says:Posted: 26 May 10
Petite, Great posts. By the way, please remove WEB Dubois from your list. He was an uber-douche. Cornell West is the bomb, though. Also, "I must ask does your camraderie extend to your brothers when they are wrong?" It has been attempted. It blew up once. Some people will remain who and what they are and you cannot change that. Heading to Orlando now. Talk to you later!
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
@MsGodiva Excellent analogy about FEAR. We are the only ones holding us back. We do have more in common than we don not. But who is willing to leave well enough alone and be "progressive" in getting ourselves out of this hatred for one another? All it takes is one person. Then another to follow, and another, non tolerance of it, but if we keep regurgitating the hateful diatribe we will stay hateful. We as Black women [in this space] are trying to make some gains, but we can't do it alone. I love your depth, sis.....
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
I have a sense of camaraderie amongst black men and a soft spot in my heart for black women, but I am my own man. I can only be responsible for what I do. If I have a black son or a black daughter, then Proverbs 20:6 is all I can do. That and Matthew 6:33. Bye, I’ma be late! Much like my "questioned" camaraderie with my sisters? Is she real? Ohhh old lady has a plot up her sleeve. I admire you for that. However, I must ask does your camraderie extend to your brothers when they are wrong? Or do you enlighten them? Show them a different perspective? Do you just go with the flow?
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
@Ich there is plenty of the 150 year old story to be found. Much of it can be found in journal articles written by Black intellectuals during the Renaissance. Scholars such as W.E.B. Dubois, although I may have to reserve the right to remove his name from this list. Then there are today's scholars. Dr. Cornel West, whom I love and admire and many more. Also, much of it can be found in our country's museums for instance the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture which is a Branch of the NYC public Library has an extensive Library of this history. People simply choose not to seek it out. Another in our nation's capital is a starting point as well, one of the museums of the Smithsonian Institute. You may not find collective writings in the museums but the information is there. Try checking out some underground bookstores. There used to be one I loved that was 125th Street in Harlem for years. It has now gone along. The information is there. This newer generation simply chooses not to be so bothered. By now those with this knowledge and understanding should have left it for future generations to understand. Either to accept or reject as it were. However, there is no excuse for not making an attempt and there is not excuse for the continuance of this mindset.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
MsGodiva, congratulations on your son making the Dean's List. I totally didn't see that. Why is it some posts show up out of place? Or did it? I by no means would have not wanted to take the time to congratulate you and say job well done! Excellent! I know that is cause for celebration. But even better when he walks with the piece of paper in hand. Blessings..... ((hugs to you and son))
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
As Bamba so eloquently stated we are all aware of the affects of slavery on the African American in these United States of America. Indeed. She further went on to note that (and I agree with her perfectly with a resounding YES) that when are we going to stop using these issues as excuses for belittling one another? When are some of the men who are privy to this knowledge and understand this in the context of the "root" problem going to stop using it as an excuse? When are we going to break the shackles I mentioned last night? When are we going to understand - then that as a result of these post slavery ills amongst our people that we can not blame each other and use the very thing that has kept us in our collective positions as excuses to continue to belittling one another ON BOTH SIDES? How long can we hold on to these premises? Can we reverse some of these inherent injustices? YES, I we think can. If those with such knowledge would share it with the masses, teach it, help them to understand that the continued denigration of the most beautiful race of people in the world by their own hand is a useless and reckless practice. Until such time as we recognize this and take ownership and stop using our 2010 problems based solely on post-slavery we will be stuck right here in 2010 with post-slavery behavior. I so love, sister bonding.........
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
@Ich Well to be honest Ich, you say you weren't viewing these fights (can't call them discussions) in a less broader view. I don't see how that's possible, when in fact, upon walking in you could see the innuendos that reached far beyond this particular space in cyberland. When one discusses a blog about said topic, it IS TO the wider audience. When one indicates they are trying to "save" Black women (beyond this site) it is on a broader scale. Even all the other things you mentioned that were and are included would lead one to believe that this "fight" goes beyond what was started HERE. I don't see how anyone could overlook this. But then again, you were here and I was here. As I understand this crusade left this site along time ago and has inserted itself amongst the collective body of a blog. That to me is very broad. Your point about Menelik's earlier post is well taken. I did inquire as to whose fault this problem lays? I got no answer. Bamba was right, for those that can't - they won't. For those that won't - will be left to their own devices. But know that some of us do want some answers. Some tangible ones that we can pass on. Not what happened on an inter-racial dating blog. Thanks for your response Ich and I even appreciate it more the fact that it was done with civility.
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malarki5 says:Posted: 26 May 10
PetiteChick said: @ Ichibod The discussion surrounded slavery and the forbidden fruit of the white woman at that time. Menelik, particularly alluding to the fact that Black women didn’t suffer the same or worse circumstances of the Black man during slavery. Hmmmm…… Menelik replies: actually I referred ONLY to the POST-slavery Black family! There was no references to the slave period! No references to lynchings, torture, rapes, auction blocks, white men or women!!!! Here's what I said in conclusion: Yep, the post-slavery Black family is at the root of our current problems as a people. No one wants to acknowledge this fact much less confront it. Instead we attack each other without looking back at who it was that left us a BLUEPRINT for relationship failure. Our anti-African, racially-confused, and white supremacist parents. I guess the part about us attacking one another was spot on! Menelik Charles London England PS hi Bro Ichibod. Thanks for understanding my point.
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malarki5 says:Posted: 26 May 10
PetiteChick said: @Malarki I thought with all your knowledge you would understand the term “forbidden fruit” as White women. You know the untouchables? Menelik replied: yes, I know. But what has this got to do with anything I wrote above? I wrote about the post-slavery Black family being an inherently anti-African institution whose sole objective is to destroy its members. I just don’t see where white women (or men) come directly into the picture. PetiteChick replied: It has plenty to do with it. WAS IT YOU WHO TRIED TO GIVE US A HISTORY LESSON IN CLASS, AND SOCIO ECONOMIC STATUS AND WHITE PRIVILEGE DURING SLAVERY TO INDICATE THAT BLACK WOMEN ARE MANLY AND THE MEN, WELL THE MEN DON’T KNOW THEIR PLACE IN THE WORLD? GO BACK AND READ IT AGAIN. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU WROTE. YOU IMPLIED THAT ONLY THE BLACK MAN SUFFERED. I TOLD YOU NOT TELL SUCH A STORY. THE BLACK MAN WHO DOES NOT KNOW HIS PLACE IN THE WORLD. WHY NOT? WHY IS THAT? DID BLACK WOMEN CAUSE THIS? IF IT IS A PRODUCT OF SLAVERY, THEN WE SUFFERED TOGETHER. NOT ONLY ARE SOME OF YOU NARCISSISTIC I SEE NOW THAT YOU HOLD AN AIR OF MISYGONISTIC THINKING AS WELL. ABOUT THE LACK OF BLACK MALE PRIVILEGE OR WHATEVER SHOULD NOT LAY WITH BLACK WOMEN. RATHER IT SHOULD BE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE POWER. What Menelik wrote: the basis of the problem resides in the post-slavery Black family. I have pointed the finger at no single individual. The Post-slavery Black family is an inherently anti-African, white-supremacist (i.e. colourist) institution. Moreover, unlike other races/ethnic groups, there exists no genuine culture at its core to perpetuate progressive responses to white supremacy. Anyone seeking to define what they consider Black ‘culture’ will invariably end up with negatives e.g. poverty, fatherless families, low ambition, fear and loathing of academic success (amongst the fatherless males) domineering females, and men uncertain not only of their place in Black society but also of their manhood etc. Look at our African kinfolk who have their cultures intact. See how the perpetuate upwards i.e. they embrace education, work their way out of poverty, keep families together and have men and women with clearly defined socio-cultural roles. Can you not see why slave-descended African-Americans and and continental Africans don’t get along? Yep, the post-slavery Black family is at the root of our current problems as a people. No one wants to acknowledge this fact much less confront it. Instead we attack each other without looking back at who it was that left us a blueprint for relationship failure. Our anti-African, racially-confused, and white supremacist parents. PetiteChick said: @Menelik I WILL ASK THAT YOU NOT ADDRESS ME IN ANYTHING FURTHER. I THOUGHT YOU COULD ‘THINK’ FOR YOURSELF. OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN NOT. You went back on your powerful Black man “word.” Menelik replies: I still have absolutely no idea what's going on here!!!!! Menelik Charles London England
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Ichibod says:Posted: 26 May 10
Nice post, Bama. Petite, I know you're talk about things on a larger scale and I understand things on a larger scale. But seeing as though this is a dating website, I tend to keep the issues internal and confined to what the parties here say here. I could go on and on about what I've heard black men say about black women (also what white and asian men say), but these posts already go so far off topic that the initial cause for many of the arguments and debates get lost in translation. When a black man responds to remark that a black women makes about black men on here, weeks later black men are accused of telling black women no to date white men. This is what happens when topics go off on a tangent and too many irrelevancies such as statistics, history lessons, and even name calling enter the picture. I go to my God and His Word and that's the only place I've been able to find the answers to these questions. I have a sense of camaraderie amongst black men and a soft spot in my heart for black women, but I am my own man. I can only be responsible for what I do. If I have a black son or a black daughter, then Proverbs 20:6 is all I can do. That and Matthew 6:33. Bye, I'ma be late!
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Ichibod says:Posted: 26 May 10
Petite, I've heard many terms used for many different reasons and in many different situations. I believe Menelik was merely pointing that out. For instance, my rationale, per se, for being willing to date another race would not be "forbidden fruit" seeing as though I was born post-slavery, but in 1978. As far as black men and woman in slavery, we suffered on the same levels, but we didn't suffer in the manner other than oppressively. I alluded to this in another topic. Let me see if I can find it. Nope! That thread is at 554 posts now, it's gone. But anyway, I was saying that black men experienced lynchings, while black women were raped. Basically, men and women are different, period. We were both physcially and emotionally abused, but in manners that were particular and mutually exclusive toward our genders and the effects are apparent to some, yet indistinguishable to others. Especially, in a cultural climate like today where we are 150 years removed from that slavery, we only know about it by what we read and stories passed down. To many folks, it begins to seems as though most of our problems, some preventable, are just how we like our lives and sub-culture to be. This in turn leads the egotistical, self-proclaimed enlightened black men and women to scoff at other blacks in the same manner that other races (particularlly whites) may. As you can see, this isn't a case of "forbidden fruit" black men (or women) date whites in my opinion. Ask Laurelton what word he would use to describe that in such a situation. I don't believe Menelik was arguing with you, but then that's for him to declare. However, I did question the "forbidden fruit" thing when it came up. Comment by PetiteChick on 25 May 2010: @Malarki domineering females, and men uncertain not only of their place in Black society but also of their manhood etc. —————————————– Is this also the reason why Black men seek the “forbidden fruit?” I don't think so. I believe it's more the reason why black men drop out of schools and enroll in prisons, leave the church and join a gang, don't have fathers as children so they aren't fathers to their children. Much like the point you made about black women when you first came to this blog; black men, for the most part, don't choose white women for more than them just being women that occasionally desire us. There are exceptions like I discussed in my las post, but we are men and they are women. It's constantly mentioned that black men have been doing this for years. Does that necessarily mean it's all that forbidden? I do see where you're coming from, Petite. Have a great day! I headed to work.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
My friends, I shall be back. I have to digest what has been said here. I didn't know our troubles were so short sighted as to be inclusive of this place only. A slow walk - and some quiet thinking will do me good while I run some errands. It's a beautiful day in NYC (hot as all get out). (((((hugs))))
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
@bamba! Hallelujah! I asked this yesterday. Who's fault is it from one of the men? No answer. What are we going to do abut it? to all the men? What did we get? YOU STARTED IT. IT'S YOUR FAULT. This, now I understand is surrounding JUST THIS PARTICULAR FORUM SPACE ON THE WORLDWIDE WEB. I DIDN'T REALIZE OUR RACE WAS REPRESENTED HERE SOLELY until today. YOU ARE RIGHT. There is blame to go around everywhere. I ASKED, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STOP FINGERPOINTING? Where does forgiveness begin for those who like to quote Bible verses? When does the HEALING BEGIN? GOD DOESN'T DO TIT FOR TAT! NOT THE ONE I KNOW. He accepts and forgives. If he didn't where would we all be? Looks like Bamba DID just blow up this Blog thread!!!
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Bamababe2k9 says:Posted: 26 May 10
I'm about to blow this blog up with what I am about to say. Folks we need to stop using slavery as an excuse for sorrieness, ignorance and disrespect among our race. Most of our parents and grandparents had it a helluva a lot tougher then most of us can imagine and yet, they managed to make it through segeration and racism in tougher times then this and stuck together. So no this is not post slavery, this is a generation of sorry ass men and women. Men who have abandon their families and who refuse to raise their own damn kids,don't want to raise to a different level with their sistas and still blame the white man for their issues which they have created themselves. Women who open their legs to anyone and everyone, who won't teach their daughters self respect and then have the nerve to get mad if they see an educated brotha with a white girl. When is it ever OUR fault as black people? We are in the situation we are in because of us. Not white folks US. We got a generation of sorriness and excuse making. We all need to stop making excuses and make men and women both responible for their own actions. I'm with a white man not because I think they are superiority to me but because that's who I am attracted to. Last time I check it didn't make me less black because of my preference. I don't sit there and say well if brothas would treat me better, no ma'am no sir, I am with a white man because that's who I find attractive and in a lot of case that's what's going on. Not a hate of one's race or some kind post-slavery bullshit, it's because of environment and social economic growth. A lot this people is of our own doing and we need to face that fact of life.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
@ich I’m almost done, but I want to illustrate some points first. I have a black mother and other black women relatives. I may have a black daughter one day, who knows. Reading many of these negative comments about black men from women who have black sons really doesn’t make sense to me. Here’s why: ----------------------------------------------- Reading many of the negative things on this forum about Black women (regardless of who started it) is not roses either. Don't put yourselves on a pedestal you think you are deserving of. Both sexes in the race has blame to take. I asked yesterday, what are we going to do about it? What can be done about besides pointing fingers? Where has that gotten us? YES, the no good Black man, drug dealing, thugging, etc., to GO ALONG WITH THE SLUT, cum snatcher and other such derogatory remarks are just as bad. Now if you don't agree with that and can't recognize that, then there is truly something wrong. You speak of this forum only? I speak in general terms. I speak of the things I hear first hand, read elsewhere. I see you are just talking about THIS FORUM. I'm not. I'm talking about this mess that his been going on for quite some time now all over the internet on various gathering places where people of color congregate. There's a much bigger world than THIS forum, and I was referring to THAT. Now granted, I wasn't around when all of this started....however let's call it for what it is in the REAL WORLD. THERE IS A PROBLEM. I for one would like to know why.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
@MsBamba Thank you for your insights. I would much rather have meaningful discussions than not. But alas you are right. I will do my best to stick to that. Hopefully more of like mind who are willing to listen and learn from one another will join us. It may or may not help us in our quest for understanding human relations let alone racial relations.
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
@Ich You're right.... But that is not the context it was used in. The discussion surrounded slavery and the forbidden fruit of the white woman at that time. Menelik, particularly alluding to the fact that Black women didn't suffer the same or worse circumstances of the Black man during slavery. Hmmmm...... Surely you've heard that term and others during slavery and post slavery......
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
MsGodiva! Dahhhling, have you been enjoying the weather? MsFriendly is dropping knowledge, as always. @MsFriendly: Yes, the story of Dr. Benjamin Carson was poignant. I cried the whole way through that movie. There are many more stories like this, where the single Black mother beat the odds and produced wonderfully productive African American MEN. The same holds true for other races. I have a close friend who is White and she "rocks." As she would say and I agree. It's not easy, but with faith, determination and good people around you - you can get it done! I can speak to this from my own experience. My two children. Dang, I hate to refer to grown ups as children, so I shall say my daughter and my son. My daughter and I started off alone, but my parents were there to help me while I worked and went to school. I love and miss them both. My ex came along and filled the void and my daughter has a father, whom he treats as if she were his own. It can be done! It is happening all around us. When I had TWC they used to do a segment on NY1 News about the New Yorker of the week. Well, there are many people out there giving of themselves, thinking of others and trying to make life a little bit easier. I miss those segments but can look at it online. That's about all I miss of Time Warner Cable though. They suck. I watch educational programming. Demand that my daughter implore my grandson to do the same. Although I don't have to tell her unless there is something she's not aware of. A very interesting read for those who would be interested in dealing with self-actualization is a book called "Mistakes Were Made: But not by me." I love this book. I have it hear somewhere and will provide the author's name but if you can not wait, Google it. Excellent book!
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Ichibod says:Posted: 26 May 10
Menelik said: "the basis of the problem resides in the post-slavery Black family. I have pointed the finger at no single individual. The Post-slavery Black family is an inherently anti-African, white-supremacist (i.e. colourist) institution. Moreover, unlike other races/ethnic groups, there exists no genuine culture at its core to perpetuate progressive responses to white supremacy." I couldn't agree more with this statement, especially the white supremacy part. This occurs in many races here in the US, except the impact it has had on the black community is the worst since it started earlier and more turbulant than others. This is why some black people (black women on these blogs) who date interracially immediately look to white people (white men) as opposed to other races. Asians call it americanization when their women no longer desire them and chase after white men. In high school, I had asian guy friends that didn't like asian women. I didn't get it back then (and still don't now). Ofcourse, it goes both ways. In 2010, there isn't so much of a thing as forbidden fruit. There will still be black men who mistakenly believe dating a white woman, either strictly or in general, makes them feel somehow better than everyone else or less of who they are, i.e the stigma that blacks seem to carry or have had thrusts upon us. I am definitely NOT that man. Black women are doing it feverishly on blogs, in movies, magazines, and talk shows. Many places I see black men do it is in comedy routines, rap videos, and porn sites. You can't take those too seriously, can you? I said this before, the topic "Black women. Black men. Best frenemies" is the place where our disputes should go down. And it's funny (but not Ha Ha funny), the word 'Fremenies' is supposed to be a combination of 'Friend' and 'Enemy' yet only one man talked about how black men and women are still friends. You were there, Menelik, and I know you know who that was. It was said ealier on this thread, "When I started blogging here I thought I was going to get to read thoughts from white men about why they love the black women." Me, too! "Why white men love the black woman", interesting question. "But in reality,all there was were angry black men causing a bunch of confussion." My ex-girlfriend was also bad when it came to chronological events. That's where the delusion comes in. I viewed this topic long before it got close to 200 posts and black men didn't speak until black women did. Black women optioning white men had nothing to do with a black man's opinion. It was black women's remarks and asides about black men that caused confusion, just as it has in "Black Woman Have No Option", "Why Black women Only Date White Men", "Are Black Women More Likely To Be Single", and suprisingly "Interracial Dating and Black Men". In that last topic, no black man suggested that black women were a reason for dating other races. However, much like this topic, that didn't stop black women from coming on to declare their love for white men while slandering black men in the process by using us as reasons for their options. I'm almost done, but I want to illustrate some points first. I have a black mother and other black women relatives. I may have a black daughter one day, who knows. Reading many of these negative comments about black men from women who have black sons really doesn't make sense to me. Here's why: I always call out the only two black men that I found on this whole website that spoke in favor white women over black women. One of them said that as a child, he remembers his mother would tell his older sisters not to marry black men. It in turn, this made him feel the need to look for white women. Psychological? Some years ago, my ex-girfriend and I were discussing interracial relationships. She was opposed, I was/am indifferent. She said that if we got married, had kids, and later got a divorce and I ended up with a white woman, that she wouldn't want my children to visit me. I asked why not? She said because she wouldn't want them to think that white women are better than her. I then told her, "If I was with a another black woman, what's stopping them from thinking that SHE isn't better than you?" Psychological? It's all about how you teach your kids and what you want them to know. Sometimes, Brother Menelik, it feels like we're dealing with a bunch of psychos. Proverbs 22:6 "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." For decades we haven't been careful enough not to raise our children with failure mentalities.
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godiva61 says:Posted: 26 May 10
@ Ms. Petite, Hello there, how are you?? Been a little busy these past couple of days!! I heard once a very wise man describing FEAR, False Evidence Appearing Real Anyway, hope your day is going well, and btw, I was jammin to some old school music, "Skin Tight"!! Gotta go get Momma!! Love godiva
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PetiteChick says:Posted: 26 May 10
@dannyco56! I have to agree with ms. Friendly! She is on point. The only thing standing in the way of race relations is "fear." Fear is the opposite of love, as I understand it. All it takes is a moment to picture yourself in someone else's shoes. Unfortunately, the human condition (and most notably - the Devil) tends to run rampant through the minds of civil and uncivilized societies. Ours being no different.
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godiva61 says:Posted: 26 May 10
Hello to Ashley, and Ichibod!! Hope life is going Great for the two of you!! Take care, and God Bless!! love godiva
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Member says:Posted: 26 May 10
Dear Danny I disagree with you. I actually THINK race relations will get worse in this country. No amount of interracial dating will change that. I don't try to keep my race of women "in line". I merely state that I will go to the "wall for them". Regardless, of how they feel about it. I am a natural born leader period. There is certain segment of black women that can respect that I care about them to a fault. However, I will not tolerate the bashing of black men or anything else. You got to understand something. I never picked black women last, nor have a majority of black men. Their superficial and vain commentary put them in an impossible situation. Nobody ever sees the smack that causes us to put them on their ass. I live by the 48 laws of power. If I let black women stand up, they will try to fight us again. I make it my point to keep my foot on their neck. I agree with Petite and Bama on some comments concerning black men having been decimated by prisons, diseases and etc. That don't change the fact black men overall pick black women first. That comes with living in this society. White men get away with corruption (illegal bailouts, downsizing companies to hire cheap labor, illegal wars). They don't get prosecuted for it because they pay off people. That is another story. Now, sellout black women can get on their knees and beg or entice a white man to be with them all they want. The fact remains white men weed them out selectively. A white guy on my blog said "when has a race of men ever want ALL THE women in one race". I responded to him. Exactly, so why give black women false hope? You won't date the poor, obese, uneducated black women and black women with multiple children. You won't date black women that solely live in black neighborhoods. Why don't you just tell the truth? At the end of the day, they know I AM THE TRUTH. I am not "narrow minded". I just became "awake" of what the black man interests are. Our interests are black women. We will do anything to protect those "interests". Good day.
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godiva61 says:Posted: 26 May 10
@friendly13, Hey Lady!!! How are you doing? It's a little too hot and humid for me, but other than that, life is GREAT!!! My son made the Deans List, my nephew has been awarded a full Academic Scholarship to Johns Hopkins University, my Mom is healing(she had a very unfortunate ordeal a few weeks ago). So that's what's good in my life!! I hope yours is good, or better yet, even better!!! I met Dr. Carson a few years ago at a symposium at Hopkins, he is so laid back, withthout all the arrogance, actually he seemed rather shy, but charming!!! Still looking for that DVD(Wanda Jean Allen). I'm wondering if I could order it from HBO?? Have a great Wednesday!!! love godiva
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Bamababe2k9 says:Posted: 26 May 10
GM ladies, hope all is well. I wanted to make a few points. First of all to you sister Petite, I admire you for trying to play peacemaker with some of the dudes on here, but quite frankly I think you've learned like a lot of us have that people don't change. Menelik has a belief that he sticks by that no matter how reasonable you were, he is NOT going to change his mind. Same with Queenie although with him I think he is crazy like a fox. After he and I had a chat a few weeks ago, I am convinced he don't believe half the shit he says and he just says stuff sometimes to get a reaction. Anyway, back to my original point I hate to see sistas thrown under the bus so to speak especially by black men and some of us are guilty of doing the same thing. But sistas to me are the backbone of black society and our foundation and we deserve more respect then what we get at times especially from our own men.
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friendly13 says:Posted: 26 May 10
@ BrownSugar When I read your rebuttal to Queenies lame comments about black women, I was reminded of Dr. Benjamin Carson the famous neurological brain surgeon. He was raised by a single mom whose black husband was a deadbeat two timer. She could not read but both of her sons grew up to be successful and educated. She absolutely insisted that they read and write reports. On top of that she limited the time they spent watching television. She also forced them to learn their times tables and was able to help them improve their grades from D's & F's to A's & B's. She made them get knowledge that she was never able to get. The story about her is also remarkable. She was an orphan and the orphanage gave her to a man when she was only 13 to wife. "Gifted Hands" is the movie that tells all about it. I really enjoy that movie. It is an encouragement to me as a single black mom raising two black sons. I recommend to anyone who has never seen the movie to see it. This man went through and overcame a lot as a child and as an adult to achieve everything he has been able to accomplish. Dr. Carson is also the first surgeon to successfully separate siamese twins joined at the head. He has been responsible for helping many families and thier children to overcome obstacles that were generated by serious neurologicial conditions steming from brain damage.
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friendly13 says:Posted: 26 May 10
@ PetiteChick,Godiva, Bigeyes, Bamababe2k9, MsBrOwNSuGaR, Tatted2death, Dannyco56, and everybody on this blog (worth acknowledging) Good morning. I agree with PetiteChick...tell me something positive and educational regarding why white men love the black women and other good things...like recipes, beauty/fashion tips, and gardening tips. What'cha know good?
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friendly13 says:Posted: 26 May 10
@ Dannyco56 You commented "...There are always going to be those who want to keep their race pure and will use intimidation and shame among other things to keep it pure. I think all races have those that feel that way." People need to realize (and I believe another sister also made a similar remark) that there is not real pure race. The distinction in races occurred only during the iceage period when three recognized main sections were isolated for so long that distinct attributes among the people in these geographical sections were established: Asian, European (Anglo-Saxon), and African. However, like the sister pointed out earlier we started out with two: Adam and Eve. There is much speculation about the geographical origination of this two. Then you have the family of Noah: Ham, Cuch, and Shem. There is some speculation that the physical attributes of the three recognized primary races of people African, European, and Asian are derived from these three families. In reality, we are all connected. The mission of Hitlar was futile. The mission of some of the imposters on this site is also futile. We are all just going back to the way things should always have been. I will confess, I used to have the same narrow minded attitude of Laurelton. But God had to deal with me about that. I had to learn the hard way. Now, there is no looking back for me because this way of thinking is much more liberated. But I also have to understand that it is not easy for everyone to accept. But eventually racism and separattion will lose out anyway. People who think interracially just have to hang in there and be encouraged to know that we are not wrong.
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Petite, Yes, I'm a Booker T Washington and Bill Cosby fan. Martin Luther King Jr reluctantly gave him props in a speech long time ago. I Just wanna clear some stuff up here. You stated: “When I started blogging here I thought I was going to get to read thoughts from white men about why they love the black women.” I didn't state that, Friendly did. However, to answer the following question you had, I mentioned before to MzBrown and Bama weeks ago that if I see something mentioned about black women I am going read it. I don't comment unless I hear something negative about black men. That's not to say that is my prime objective or mission. That's Laurelton's. But for some reason, over the last year and a half, folks like to get us and our words confused with one an'OTHER', if you catch my drift. Your question also reminded me of this episode of Good Times. A city coucil member came over in response to one of Michael's scathing stories about the city's neglet of the projects. James was reading an issue of Essence. The man ask what he was reading. James told him and then asked if he every read it. When the man said no, James the said, "Why not? I read Time". My point to MzBrown was that I, as well as James (the writer of these blogs) are bloggers. I don't have to be a white man or a black women to be here. It would seem weird for me to come on speaking about a white man's love or attraction to black women, therefore I have not, contrary to what some 'OTHER' person had claimed. What I have found interesting is absolutely nothing. It has gone the route of every other thread with a topic centered around black women. "I do see that you have inserted yourself into these kinds of threads as well and offered up your comments that did not belong. You are just as complicit as the women." Not many people like to be censored or corrected. Therefore, it's easy to say a rebuttal or argument doesn't belong. Hannes thought your comments didn't belong because you do not fancy white men, however you are here because of what? A Black women perhaps? I've quoted James's line... "Let’s leave the debate of why more black women may be opening themselves up to white guys. The main focus of this debate is why some white guys are opening themselves to black women? Let’s concentrate on that" ...only we question why I'm here. Otherwise, I'm not worried who posts here. Complicity is a bit of a stretch. James specifically asked black women not to post, not that a person didn't have the right to defend themselves. I'm confused as to why the following excerpts are a problem. I said: "We were both physcially and emotionally abused, but in manners that were particular and mutually exclusive toward our genders and the effects are apparent to some, yet indistinguishable to others" You said: "I see no difference. Herein lays the problem. The break up of the African American family and its affects on us a group should be revisited and not sub-categorized by gender. They are the same. Men being lynched, beaten to a very inch of their lives, not being able to protect their women, being torn away from their women and children indeed horrible. Women being raped, some being made to feel better than her sister because she was the product of a raping which gave us the mulatto." The effects I speak of ARE the break up of the African-American family structure amongst other things. You just mentioned gender specific situations that contributed to the break up. They occur at the same time, they affected each gender equally, and now the family structure is damn near defunct. "Because Black men believe they suffered the most, are they now here to tell us they want to teach us how to women and not masculine like one person described us? Do you want us to be subservient and adhere to the patriarchal standards of these United States?" Okay, maybe I missed that part of the debate. I don't know what you're talking about there. Who insinuated that black men suffered most? Sounds asinine to me, you should take that up with them. I was wondering if you had forgotten who you were talking to for a minute, then I was almost positive when I read this... "No it does not, not by today’s standards. But why is it forbidden by the Black woman who has just come upon herself to take this gamble? What’s good for the goose is always good for the gander. Finally you answered a question I asked earlier. Which was simply, who started the inter-racial dating first. You have affirmed for me and everyone else who knows the plight of Black relationships in this country that it was the Black man. But for some strange reason no one wants to admit this. I don’t understand why. I can’t wrap my brain around it. Why not admit that the dating out of race began with the Black man away from the masculine woman because she was “just that” masculine?" 1) With the exception of maybe Boots, no one has openly come on a said black women shouldn't date white men. Wait... not even Boots. He just questions whether interracial dating helps the black community. A strawman question because it doesn't help, nor hurt any community depending on the definition of community giving. His question outlines his dissapproval. 2) Black men started interracial dating first? I say the Native Americans or Pilgrims did, but there's no way to prove exactly whom either way. It would appear that black men have had this interracial dating thing on lock for longer, but going back over a century, with blacks having no rights or credibility, perhaps the black men's interracial partners started it. Which is why a black man who dates interracially but only likes Latinas, will first be accused of or presumed to want white women, and he may not. Again, was this for ME to answer? 3) This whole masculinity thing. Again, that one isn't for me to answer since I didn't bring it up. "Finally, not a question but an observation that perhaps you overlooked whilst viewing the goings on in THIS thread (not blog) an olive branch was offered. The women have tried. Yepper. I’m sorry you failed to come upon that." You sure? It seemed you and Laurelton were cool at first and then he flipped on you for being chummy with Mecca. I've seen that happen before over the past year or so. I really like Bama. I think we broke some ground and things mellowed out around here, until TYRANT came back to pick at her. Menelik wouldn't leave Friendly alone with the same post. She's okay I guess. I want to like her but she has said some things that just don't sit well with me, but not worth me arguing with her anymore, so I happily comment on her's and others casual conversations as of late. I don't have any beef with you. I never had a problem with MzBrown. Tatts is my buddy and Godiva is my sis. Did I overlook anything? I'm a tired. I spent too much time (2 hours) typing and proofreading this post. I'm going to bed. I didn't even make that sandwich I was craving. Oh, well. Talk with ya later! Screw it, I'm making that sandwich. 4:21am can bite me!